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Reading School Building Committee
Minutes of RSBC Meeting Held on October 16, 2002, 7:30 p.m.
(In the RMHS Guidance Career Center)
Committee Members Attending:
Russ Graham, Chair (RG)
Bill Carroll (BC)
Warren Cochrane (WC)
Rich Radville (RR)
Tim Twomey (TT)
Jeff Struble (JS)
Michael Scarpitto (MS)
Alex McRae (AM)
Dennis LaCroix (DL)
Paula Perry (PP) p/t
Featured Guests:
Frank Orlando (Staff)
Dr. Harry Harutunian (Staff)
Gary Hart (Staff)
Sid Bowen (Flansburgh Associates, Inc.)
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RG asked if FAI had anything to report on reducing the phasing times for any on the
options (primarily Options 1 and 2).
Sid Bowen said that his office was in the process of investigating the costs
and procedures involved with using temporary modular classrooms to act as
swing space to aid the phasing schemes but had not completed them as yet.
At issue is not determining the cost of renting the modulars, but how to
service them with power and heat and where to put them on the site.
Exploring the value of the possible acceleration of the phasing schedules that
modulars might allow would not be worth reviewing if the associated costs
were not known. FAI hoped to present modular information at a later
meeting.
Another idea for improving the phasing aspects of the high school renovation
was voiced at the previous night's Open Meeting at Parker Middle School,
which was to employ an off-site venue as swing space (rent temporary space
in another existing building to house a significant portion of the student
population). The Addison- Wesley (A-W) property was mentioned as a
possible site. Dr. Harutunian said there would be several obstacles to such a
venue in his view. One would be the bussing required to transport students
to the A-W site. Another would be the cost of rental. Another would be the
need for the students to use elevators for changing floors. And still another
would be the fit-up costs to customize the space for classroom use. He
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thought that an adjacent community might have rental educational space to
use that might do away with some of those concerns.
- AM thought that any ideas regarding off-site rental should be proven practical
before pursuing them.
- Frank Orlando thought that the A-W scheme was a creative idea that
indicated willingness on the part of the community to try and help the phasing
situation. However, he felt the logistics of such a venture would be too
difficult to arrange successfully and did not recommend pursuing it.
RR brought up a suggestion by a member of the Board of Selectmen to use
added shifts to compress the time needed to complete the phases. Mr.
Bowen said that in past projects, they have specified second shift work to be
done, sending workers into non-isolated areas after the students have left for
the day. The crews had to do as much work as they could in those second
shifts and clean up before leaving to allow the areas to be used during the
day. However, compelling overtime for work in the isolated areas was not
something that FAI had ever done. RR thought the Selectmen's idea was to
specify double shifts in order to reduce the calendar time spent on the
project. Mr. Bowen said he would look into such a scheme to see if it had
merit.
Dr. Harutunian asked if there was any contingency time built into the phasing
schemes developed thusfar or were they dependent on deadlines being met
on time. Mr. Bowen replied that the phasing schemes were constructed with
the over-riding requirement that the educational program would not be
affected if deadlines were not met on time. This meant that there was no
reliance on season-dependent procedures or scheduling of phases that used
narrow time windows (like spring and winter vacations). Hence, he felt that
the only way to "tighten" the phasing would be to make more of the building
available to the contractor at any one time (by finding more swing space).
JS asked if double sessions could be used to compress the amount of school
space needed and thereby give more of the school over to the contractor
during the phases. Dr. Harutunian and Mr. Orlando replied that due to the
DOE regulations for time spent in learning, double sessions would not be
feasible, making the second session run well into the evening to satisfy the
reg's.
Observer Kendra Cooper related a novel phasing scheme used at
Newburyport High School. The school was vacated for renovation by
sending the high school students to the nearby middle school and sending
the middle school students to a vacant elementary school in the adjacent
town of Salisbury. Salisbury charged Newburyport only one dollar in rent and
had Newburyport pay the cost of operating and maintaining the building. This
arrangement was in force for two years.
TT asked FAI if they were looking at creating temporary classrooms in the
field house as swing space. Mr. Bowen replied that to do so would mean the
suspension of interscholastic athletics for one to two years. Therefore, they
were looking into renting modular classrooms as a way to create more swing
space.
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TT commented that it thought it would be difficult to use off-site space (such
as at A-W) as swing space and he did not think an almost rent-free situation
like Newburyport experienced could be found near Reading. Dr. Harutunian
then commented that the Town of Stoneham was going to have a large
elementary school vacant in the future. He also noted a similar school-rental
situation that occurred in Salem (using a vacant school in Beverly). He
doubted that the rent would be as low as Newburyport paid, however, and
pointed out the costs of bussing needed to transfer students across town
boundaries. TT also noted the costs and the political element of uprooting a
student population to a remote location.
AM wondered if there would be any problems with relocating just the ninth
grade to another location. Frank Orlando and Dr. Harutunian said that there
were too many programs that the freshmen participated in that overlapped
with the upperclassmen to make such a separation work. Also,
administrative staff for the freshmen would have to be duplicated off-site and
would likely be cost-prohibitive. AM then asked if extending the school day
by one period would benefit the phasing. Dr. Harutunian said that such a
plan would require renegotiations of teachers' contracts.
JS initiated a general discussion about what costs would be reimbursable by
the State by asking if the costs of bussing, equipping and running an off-site
facility would be reimbursable (administrative costs would not be, "moving"
costs might be). Other topics included the payment of costs over the
- maximum cap allowed by the State, whether that cap was enough to build an
adequate new high school (FAI thought it wasn't) and how the State would
view reimbursements for renovations over new construction.
Observer Jackie Mandell put forward an idea of using the industrial arts wing
as temporary swing space which could be later used for other non-high
school purposes. A general discussion ensued on the value of spending
money for building temporary classrooms and having non-programmatic
space left over. The costs of building acceptable space in that wing were
noted as being higher than elsewhere and it was thought that any renovations
not destined for program usage by the high school would not be regarded as
reimbursable by the State. FAI said that they could investigate such an idea
further.
RG asked FAI and the Committee members for their impressions of the comments
fielded at the public meeting in Parker Middle School the night before.
- Sid Bowen said Robert Peirce had drawn up a summary of the comments
made at the meeting (copy attached). He said that some of the comments
they had not considered and would be addressing them in the future. Many
of the issues that were raised had been addressed already.
- TT said that he did not see any dominant opinion from the attendees about
which option was favored. He noted that parents who were concerned about
the effects of the phasing on their children seemed to initially gravitate
towards Option 3 (shortest phasing). RG noticed some couples splitting on
favoring Options 2 and 3.
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JS observed that most people noticed that the choices between the
renovation options (1 & 2) and the reno./addition option (3) were a choice
between the most space and least phasing, which was an astute observation
after so brief an introduction to the options.
- RG noticed that with few exceptions the attending group seemed to accept
the close cost estimates. RR added that he felt that since the options all
aimed at providing comprehensive upgrades to the school both physically
and programmatically, arriving at similar costs through different methods of
approach did not seem unreasonable.
- AM commented that he was encouraged by the spirit exhibited by the
attendees to help bring suggestions for the options to the Committee's
attention. He also noted that the three options do differ in costs more
significantly if one looked at the costs to Reading after reimbursement of the
cap amount and that these to-Reading costs should be made clear.
JS asked Dr. Harutunian if the School Committee hadn't voted to reject any
scheme for the high school that wasn't 100% reimbursable. He responded
that the SC had taken two votes on the matter, both specific to options
presented in the Strekalovsky & Hoit feasibility study. The first vote was not
to approve a scheme that only addressed administrative and physical needs
and did not address educational program (S&H Opt. A). The second was not
to approve the construction of a new high school (S&H Opt. D). Both
rejections were due to the fact that the SBA guidelines in force at the time of
the votes would have prohibited these projects from receiving reimbursement.
- RG was reminded that a joint meeting with the School Committee had been
scheduled for November 7, 2002 and so informed the Committee members.
Observer Linda Phillips asked what were the plans for the Filed House and
what would be the cost of renovating it would be without state
reimbursement. She said she had a conversation with Jeff Wulfson of the
SBA in which he told her the Field House was not reimbursable. Sid Bowen
responded that all the options renovated the Field House and that the costs
associated with it were included in the overall renovation costs, not itemized
out for separate funding.
Mrs. Phillips then passed out copies of notes made by SBA personnel from
meetings held with Reading representative (copies attached) which she
claimed contradicted statements to the Committee by Mr. Graham and Mr.
Bowen concerning the reimbursability of the Field House (she said she
obtained the notes with Jackie Mandell). She claimed Mr. Wolfson saw no
need for transfer of care, custody and control of the Field House to the
School Committee for the sake of SBA reimbursement because he told Mrs.
Phillips that the Field House was not to be considered for state funding. She
demanded an explanation of the discrepancy. Mr. Graham responded that
her assertions were contrary to his recollection of the meetings that he and
others had with the SBA personnel in question and that he would research
the notes and report back to the Committee on the subject.
- AM passed out copies of an article from the Boston Globe about the artificial
track and playing surface installed at Belmont High School's football stadium
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(copy attached), noting that similar materials are being considered for
Reading's fields. RG and Dr. Harutunian remarked that they had traveled to
Belmont with the Athletic Director and a member of the School Committee to
see the new installation and picked up some informational materials that they
would try to distribute to Committee members.
AM requested the production of educational specifications and have a discussion of
them before choosing an option, mainly to determine a target enrollment around which
the ed. specs would be based. JS asked FAI if any of the options would change
materially as a result of pinning down the enrollment number. Sid Bowen replied that
unless that number was well beyond the working assumption (of 1,320 students), there
would be no significant revisions to the options that would change them from their
present forms. JS thought that determining or not determining the enrollment number
would not affect the decision-making process.
AM also wondered if enough options had been created; specifically, if another option
involving renovation/addition was possible between Options 2 and 3. Mr. Bowen
discouraged further sub-division of the options, noting that his firm had looked at
intermediate options between 2 and 3 and found that they did not create more valuable
options and seemed to cause confusion. He said that creating a continuum of options
would obscure any clear direction to follow for any of them. AM offered an idea that had
surfaced via public input about saving the existing auditorium in Option 3 rather than
build a new one as an example of looking "between" options. Mr. Bowen replied that
- they had looked at such an idea early on an found that planning circulation and phasing
around the preservation of the existing auditorium produced poorer results than any of
the others and would ultimately cost as much as building a new auditorium.
Observer Linda Phillips asked if a feasibility study were being produced by FAI and
when would such a study be available. She referred to procedures recommended by the
Inspector General. Observer Jackie Mandell interrupted by referring to a letter written by
FAI in which Sid Bowen wrote that his firm was in the process of undertaking a feasibility
study for the physical and programmatic revitalization of RMHS. RG answered that as
instructed by Town Meeting and affirmed by the voters of Reading (via a debt exclusion
election), the SBC was engaged in producing a schematic design for Town Meeting and
the voters' review. He said that Mr. Bowen might have referred to the feasibility stage of
producing that schematic design in his correspondence. He cautioned the observers not
to continue to interrupt and be discourteous.
With no other business appearing, RG called for a motion to adjourn. RR so moved and
was seconded by DL. A vote was taken and it was unanimous in the affirmative (time
9:05 pm).
Minutes prepared and submitted by:
Jeffrey W. Struble, Secretary
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Long Range Educational and Facilities Plan in brief outline/summary format (3-5 pages)
Space inventories for each schoolhouse under the jurisdiction of the school committee.
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Meeting Notes Summary:. Internal FAI
DATE: October 15, 2002
PROJECT: Reading Memorial High School
FAI PROJECT NO: 2204.00
RE: Public Information Meeting @ Parker School
Summary: The Building Committee Chair introduced the project, the history of the project, and the decisions of
Town Meeting. FAI presented the three options currently under consideration. The public was
invited to provide comments and questions. The following bulleted items
The following facts, issues, and concerns were raised by the public. These items are stated for
record purposes and should not be considered action items. Some are addressed by the current
designs, some are up to the Building Committee, others should only be considered as we further
develop the project.
Solutions that impact project scope, cost, or phasing will be reviewed with the Building Committee.
Educational Issues will be reviewed with the Principal and the Superintendent.
• The Auditorium needs an area, or areas adjacent to it, which can be used for break out space,
intermissions, etc. Currently, the cafeteria is used for this purpose. At least one resident expressed a
strong interest in maintaining the relationship between cafeteria and Auditorium.
• Concern was expressed about asbestos removal in an occupied building. What methods are employed
to insure the safety of students and staff.
• The relative life span of the schemes was questioned. There was an interest in whether one option
offered a greater life span than another. FAI answered that each option anticipated renovating, or
building new, to achieve a fifty year life for the building.
• Many people were interested in the relative operating costs for each option. Many questioned
whether Option 3 would be cheaper to operate. FAI stated that we don not have facts and figures
which address that question. FAI stated that relative the current RMHS, operating costs for any of the
new facilities would be greater. However, relative to each other, Option 3 would have less operating
cost.
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• It was noted that excavation and earthwork in the area of the school will be difficult. One person
stated that peat was encountered during excavations for the field house.
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• It was suggested that double shifting the construction reduce construction periods.
• There is concern about traffic flow in the site plan for Option 3. The flow of cars to the entry and the
field house was considered too constricted.
• One person expressed a `philosophical' opposition to the idea of tearing down an auditorium in order
to build a new one.
• One person offered the idea that, in Options 2 & 3, areas of the first floor could be cleared to provide
open area adjacent to the auditorium.
• One person felt that the Building Committee must develop objective criteria for evaluating the
options, rather than relying on interpretation by individual members.
• It was felt that for Option 3, the 24 months of construction which impacts the students, independent of
the demolition, should be emphasized over the total estimated construction period of 32 months.
• It was suggested that a portion of the students and faculty could be relocated to another location in
order to ease the phasing of Options 1 & 2.
• The existing Gymnasium is heavily used for recreational basketball.
• It was suggested that if Reading High School were to provide space for Satellite University programs,
or other adult Ed., some air conditioned spaces would be required. These programs often run through
the summer.
• One person expressed the opinion that FAI had not offered ` a choice based on price.' The options
are so close in price that the choice is not meaningful.
• FAI stated that Option 3 was developed out of a concern over phasing.
• It was suggested that recent (past five years) school improvement projects should be listed and
quantified so that the town has a sense of what new work will be `thrown out' during this
construction. FAI stated that we are not yet at a level of detail to address such a concern.
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