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Home My WebLink About2024-01-18 ad Hoc - Library Landscape Committee MinutesOy Town of Reading L 1, E I V u u Meeting Minutes (G JN CLERK I'AA. Board - committee - Commission - Council: 2024 FEB 20 AM 8: OaGP Ad Hoc Library Landscape Committee Date: 2024-01-18 Time: 7:00 PM Building: Reading Public Library Location: History Room Address: 64 Middlesex Avenue Session: Open Session Purpose: General Meeting Version: Final Attendees: Members - Present: Genady Pilyaysky, Chair; Cherrie Dubois, Vice -Chair; Jake Soucy, Secretary (Zoom); Andrea Hogan (Zoom), Cappy Popp (Zoom), Elaine Stone, Desiree Zicko Members - Not Present: Others Present: Amy Lannon, Library Director; Minutes Respectfully Submitted By: Jake Soucy, Secretary Topics of Discussion: I. Call to Order at 7:03 p.m. Ms. Lannon reminded the Committee to take all votes by roll call as this is a hybrid meeting It. Public Comment There were no public comments. III. Update from Working Group Members on Activitas Engagement Ms. Lannon reviewed Activltas's work to date, including four draft conceptual designs, and reported that the survey had closed with 256 responses. Ms. Lannon provided selected results from the study that the Committee might find helpful. Questions included in the handout were demographics, events, activities, improvements, and amenities. She noted picnic areas, community gardens, and public art ranked highest on desired amenities. Ms. Lannon noted the next Working Group meeting will be January 31, 2024. The Working Group and Activitas will use the survey results. The Committee discussed the four conceptual drawings. Ms. Zicko and Dr. Pilyaysky like the drawing with the option to move the exit, although that may be a non-starter due to fire and safety issues. Ms. Dubois asked if Activitas had the Committee's priorities in addition to the results from the survey. Mr. Soucy asked about the number of people served in the arena seating. Ms. Lannon said 25-50 and that larger events might occur elsewhere, such as the Town Common. Page I I The Committee discussed the importance of having another neighborhood meeting. Ms. Stone noted many requests for specific gardens, and some respondents were unaware of the Matters Community Garden. Ms. Lannon asked Committee Members to send her likes and dislikes on specific drawings or things that could be interchanged between designs. Ms. Hogan and Ms. Zicko noted that the designs had few garden beds, and Ms. Dubois mentioned the importance of maintenance. Ms. Lannon mentioned a smaller grant opportunity to expand the patio and garden beds near the entrance, another opportunity to improve entry to the Library. a. Appointment of third Committee member to Activitas Working Group (VOTE) Dr. Pilyaysky reminded the Committee they had yet to formally appoint a third committee member to the smaller Working Group, Motion: To appoint Ms. Dubois as the third voting Committee member assigned to the Activitas Waking Group. (Dr. Pilyaysky, Mr. Popp) Vote: Approved 6-0-1 (Ms. Dubois Abstained) Ms. Dubois reminded the Committee that she had one of the original sinks from the Highland School that might be incorporated into the design. The Committee discussed how to present the idea to Activitas. IV. Discussion on Engagements with the Community a. Review the public forum hosted by the Library. Dr. Pilyaysky reviewed the neighborhood meeting in December. Activitas presented at the meeting and received some feedback, although there was a small turnout, The Library sent out one hundred notices. Dr. Pilyaysky recommends hosting a second forum. The Committee discussed how to better engage neighbors. Ms. Zicko noted that further refined drawings may be available after the January 31 Working Group meeting, which would be an excellent time to increase public engagement. The Committee discussed options for March. The Committee would continue outreach through April and May. Ms. Stone recommended providing a summary of the survey results to let people know the designs were in response to feedback. Dr. Pilyaysky recommended displaying designs in the Library lobby. Ms. Dubois noted this would generate interest. Ms. Zicko noted that people will ask about funding once the drawings are on display. The Committee agreed on the importance of stressing that this project will not be taxpayer -funded. b. Cover engagement approaches via surveys and public forums Activitas will not do any further surveys. Ms. Dubois suggested adding more to newsletters and having public comment opportunities once the designs are on display. Ms. Zicko and Ms. Lannon will develop a communications timeline starting in March. They will also update the website. c. Individuals assigned to the engagement Mr. Soucy will help coordinate a second neighborhood meeting in March. He will share drawings and work on personal invites. Ms. Lannon suggested having food Page 1 2 at the neighborhood forum. Ms. Zicko and Ms. Lannon noted there will be more tasks in March, such as sitting in the lobby on a Saturday to answer questions. d. Activitas contributions to the public engagement No discussion. Ms. Zicko, Ms. Hogan, and Ms. Dubois will raise the question of additional public engagement at the Working Group meeting on January 31, 2024. V. Propose updates to the slide deck and further outreach to other groups. Dr. Pilyaysky will update the slide deck and present it to the Committee in February in order to have a solid narrative to present to community groups. Ms. Zicko reminded the Committee that there is already a shared document with some of this information. Dr. Pilyaysky will share this so that Committee members can add other potential partners and groups. The goals will be to generate excitement, help identify grants or other funding sources, and widen support networks. Ms. Dubois mentioned several arts organizations that might be interested in the project. VI. Discussion of preliminary Activitas conceptual designs Discussed above. VII. Approval of September 21, 2023 and November 9, 2023 Meeting Minutes Ms. Lannon noted the minutes need to be approved and will work out the signing of the minutes with the Town Clerk. Motion: To approve the minutes of the September 21, 2023, and November 9, 2023, Ad Hoc Library Landscape Committee Meetings. (Mr. Popp/Ms. Hogan) Vote: Approved 7-0 VIII. Future Agenda Items and Action Items Dr. Pilyaysky asked for new agenda items and encouraged Committee members to send him agenda items any time before the next meeting. Ms. Zicko would like to review any new or revised designs from Activitas at the next meeting. Ms. Dubois requested that funding sources be added to a future agenda. Ms. Stone asked to have report outs from the current assignments. IX. Adjournment 8:08 p.m. Motion: To Adjourn (Ms. Stone/Mr. Popp) Vote: Approved 7-0 Respectfully Submitted, Genady Pilyaysky, Chair PNe 1 3 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q1 What is your age? nns%wivl j5/ SkIPNl0 17 Or younger 18-20 21-29 3o-39 40 5059 60 or oldx - 0% 10% 20% M 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100% ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES 17 m younger 0.0096 16-20 0.76% 21-28 3.11% 30.39 17,12% 4040 31.52% 5049 17,12% 60wokleI 30.35% TOTAL 1/55 0 2 8 44 81 40 78 257 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q2 How often do you visit the Reading Public Library? Everyday W"KY MOMMY Yearly "1W Nlf. 0,ed. 25b 'A, (.I I O% 10% 20% 30% 40% SM 80% 70% SM 90% 100% ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES Everyday 1.56% WeekFy 37.11% MOMhIY 49.61% yeady 10.94% ry V 0.76% TOTAL 2155 4 95 127 28 2 256 Outdoor spaces su, vey Q3 When you visit the library, who do you come with? (Please select all that apply.) Ansaased: 2% Skipped:I Alone Cnad Grandch ld PLMt arandpuent RoommrteI Friend 9pouae, Partner,._ Noneofthe above ahe.(p4tWu0 y8 specify)' 0% 10% 10% 30% 40% 50% 6p% ]Ori 90% 90% 100% ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES Atone 63.75% CNIO 46.48% Grandchild 7.42% Parent 1.17% Grandparent 0.78% Roommate / Fnen0 3.91% Spouse, Panne[ Boyfriend. UdIrland, etc. 28.91% None of the aaove 0.00% alter (please speedy) 2.73% Total ResPoadems: 256 a OTHER (PLEASE SPECIFY) OATS 3/55 176 119 19 3 2 10 74 0 7 Outdoor Spaces Survey 1 Ift i, here 2 Friend or Fnends 3 Husband 4 Sibling 5 Sister 6 vanes, some imes alone, sometimes with graMs 7 Gid scouts 4155 12/812023 12:28 PM 12/Br2023 4:11 AM 12/78023 4:03 PM 12/6/2023 8:59 PM 12/6/2023 7:25 PM 12/5/2023 9:00 PM 12/58023 8:32 PM Outdoor Spaces Survey Q5 What activities would you like to see programmed in the outdoor spaces at the library? (Check all that apply) U5., 6 /� SMu, y,nn' AM.crh quaez or worluM1opa Cnmmunity t ncerts Garden or Rja.n.— General smin` — Group M.tups other(pleaae specify) 0% 10% 20% 30% 40% 50% 60% 70% eD% 90% 100% ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES Artwork 46.46% 118 CWese , or W snpps 49.21% 125 Community everts (e.g. lamlers market) 76.38% 194 Concerts 67.72% 172 Garden a Neure Ervirenment 62.99% 160 General Seeing 42.52% 108 Group Meetups 22.0596 56 Otner(plesse specdy) 9.84% 25 Tael Respondents: 254 H OTTER (PLEASE SPECIFY) DATE 1 Eating space IV201202311:08 PM 2 Play egapmem? =W2023 PM 3 parking - vre dont need a spaces taken up try electric car station 12/1212 0 23 4:26 PM 15155 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Outdoor Spaces Survey I dont care 12/164023 5:26 PM Would love to be able to ea on the parts upstairs whh a book 12/912023 12:32 PM Bocce boll court 121//2023 12:41 PM children's activities 12/712023 8:29 AM None -it's a waste of money 12/78023 7:24 AM StudyMork area 12/612023 10:25 PM I would like the current outdoor space (patio) utilized before more funding is spell an new 12/602023 8:27 PM space. Although I do not live in Reading, I live neatly, In Mouth and visit friends and stops In 12/&2023 7.01 PM Reading as vadl as the library Food Trucks, etc. 121&20236A7 PM Playground 12!612023 6:35 PM Nothing. Keep it indoors 12/68023 6:28 PM oa riot see a need tor an outdoor space 121612023 6:26 PM Senior events 12/88023 6:16 PM Stuff for toddlers 12/6/2023 6:14 PM rye enjoyed the Ave music and food truck events in the past. 121&2023 1:15 PM I would like to see the library make better use at the es -built spaces that taxpayefs already 12/612023 113 PM have paid int. such as the terrace on 2nd floor I am disappointed that board of library trustees has restricted its use because of its proximity to childrens section, such that taxpayers vi are unaccompanied by children, are not able to be in 0rat space. It reflects poor planning by the board and the library, to have a space that essentially no one can use, whmn ,as costly to build. It gives me less trust in whet new facilities they might Want. Kids play area 1216/2023 6:57 AM passes or workshops specific to nature 12/5802310:58 PM unaware of the outdoor spaces available so hard to say 121&2023 9:00 PM Shaded area, porch swings, small coffee stand. chess tables 1215120238:29 PM Something that has a positive environmental tmPacl and is an educational situation. Like a 12/54023 7:40 PM Tena cycle drop off location or a large native plant garden where residents WHI appreciate the bugs and birds. Would We a playground! Similar to Somerville'a central library 1215,2023 7:30 PM 16155 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q6 What improvements would you make to the design of the current outdoor space at the library? (Check all that apply) %n.•mprtl.I Acpmsibitlty ftetl SpSpamam pr... Green Space (more) Green spam pees) Lighting (I.,) Ligitting(mare) - Parking Seating. intormN statiry• fame shade Other 1pleaae' amity) 0% 10% 1096 3096 40% 50% 60% 70% a^ 9096 100% 17/55 Outdoor Spaces Survey ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES Accessibility 22.00% 55 Dedicated Space for Programs 30.80% n Green Space (more) 44.00% 110 Green Space (less) 1.211 3 Lighting (less) 4.00% 10 Lghbng (more) 12.80% 32 14.40% 36 Parking Seating - informal 63.20% 158 Seating - tonal 19.60% 49 Shade 51.20% 128 Other (please specify) 14.00% 35 Taal Respondents: 250 a OTHER (PLEASE SPECIFY) DATE 1 Less pavement M20242:50 PM 2 Flat gress for sealing/ Malignant for concens and cher, outside events 12119/2023 10:17 PM 3 Runedly garden or other native species supportive of the a vinximem 12/1912023 9:52 PM 4 Now about giant games? 12115112:32 PM 5 trees in pa/king Ic should have had rogation installed they would be doing better now 1211512023 9:58 AM 6 cut davm on electric car space - 2 spaces is enough 12/12/2023 4:26 PM 7 Stop Spending money on 01e Iibrery. Spend it on the School system or town maimenance 12I 1012023 5:26 PM Instead 8 Garbage can 12/9/2023 9:04 AM 9 Covered area m case of rain 12/512023 4.11 AM 10 Flexibility a use would be key. wnh the slope it can be challenging for accessibility 12/712023 7:15 PM 11 Improved foundation gardening 12/712023 3:17 PM 12 1 think it all works now. 1217/20231:38 PM 13 1 would like to see the redo the entrance and exit area. Too many people go out the enhance 12/712023 12:04 PM Instead of gang amurd. I don't feel like it is sale 14 more tree, more native plants 12/712023 10'55 AM 15 Keepkg the grounds cleaner, like sweeping book drop area. 121712023 10.33 AM 16 children's garden or sensory garden 12/7/2023 9:27 AM 17 More plantings . pedmps a palmattor gartlen? Great educational opportunity lot children and 12/712023 9:05 AM lam lees SB I dant see anything voting v ah how n is now W7120M 5:29 AM 19 None -you have a band new library atd di budget property. Stop wasting money 12/7/2023 7:24 AM 20 Mae tmining usable space 12/612023 10:25 PM 18155 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 26 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 Outdoor Spaces Survey I used to come to the library multiple limes per mood In my children. I W lager attend 121612023 6:27 PM because of the contrQJenbl Children programming. I also dont feel comfortable With ana4ing my leen to be in the leen roam with all of the displayed Woks. FYI: A fev, tellow retirees and I grab a pizza monthly and eel it at the benchsiiables OuSide 12/&2023 7:25 PM the library, weather pemtimng. Please avoid light pollution. build solid on top of your parking area - do you need more Faking? 121&2023 7:01 PM Garbage can back please. 12116:59 PM Functionality (Wtlets, designated areas, etc) 121612023 6:47 PM a comment: the oddoor space feels very separate Iron the building: access at the heart and 1216I2023 8.40 PM side, whereas main bldg enhance is at the back Dion I realize there was outdoor space aside tram levet 1216/2023 6:35 PM None 121&2023 6:26 PM Just have some weather -resistant lades and chairs, some attractive plantings. A Carmen 121612023 113 PM market there does net seem like a good idea, given the lack of parking add also the feel that library is mall off the beaten path. There are bidder locations in Reading for a farmers market. Rowed section to lock bikes up in. Gapped and arboretum Setup Nth labels for different types 17/512023 11:24 PM of native plants and trees. Water feature 1215202311:12 PM see primus 1L5f2023 9:00 PM Move the computers out of the kids mom. Get a train table. Get did of a 10 of the tech, add 1L&2023 7:52 PM locus on Woks Most events Suggested above could be done on the tanker peep already in place (but net 1ZIM23 7:44 PM open for use.) Remove some of the lam. Grass is bad for the environment. Replace vain native gardens. of 12/512023 7:40 PM have Waller Knin lge plant a native gadded. 19/55 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q7 What outdoor site furnishings would you like to see at the library? (Check all that apply) Answcted. 247 5kip,d i0 Shades Water fountains_ Other (please specify) 016 10%, 20% 3M 4001 50% fieri 904: Oft 9014 1000%, ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES beating Accessible Seeing 35.63% Benches Re.1,eS 5223% Chairs and Chairs and Tables Tables 158 Coverings 30.36% Patio Shades Water fountains_ Other (please specify) 016 10%, 20% 3M 4001 50% fieri 904: Oft 9014 1000%, ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES Accessible Seeing 35.63% S8 Re.1,eS 5223% 129 Chairs and Tables 63.97% 158 Coverings 30.36% 76 38.46% 95 Patio 37.65% 93 Shades Wale, toumains 26'72% 66 Other (please specify) 10.12% 25 Total Respondents: 247 a OTHER (PLEASE SPECIFY) DATE 1 Water fbumain is a nice idea - for coding down in summer 1211812023 12:32 PM 2 general basic maintenance has detmohned so these niceties seem supedluars 12/152023 9:58 AM 3 None 12/1012023 5:26 PM 20155 Outdoor Spaces Survey 4 umbrellas 32/9/202310:54 PM 5 Lounge chairs 12f//20238:51 PM 6 All of the above wdh selections being accessible 12/7/2023 7:15 PM 7 Not too much, my kids like to sled on the bis 121'112023 8:29 AM 8 The Indoor furniture is great 12/7/2023 7:24 AM 9 Leave it wither) 12/7/2023 5:21 AM 10 Bnghton library did nice lob 1716202310:25 PM 11 1 wsh there was space In this survey to capture responses that did not want additional work 32/62023 8:27 PM done outside of the library. I hope town funds are rut used for this purpose. If the Pnends of RPL is paying time their constimuems may decide. I W not feel like the library is a welcoming place lot me and my family 12 Would W grew to be able to access the entrance from both sides of the building with a stroller 12/d2023 7:17 PM The stats make it difficult to get around With a stroller unless going at the way around the building. 13 Not sure what you mean by shades. Shade is very important win global terming: plant Ids of 174117:01 PM native trees - 14 Garbage canle. Our library lawn is littered with dog poop— wiry would you take rarity the 171&2023 6:59 PM garbage can, which would encourage people to pick up the poup and depose w III 15 'porch sv4rgs' to sit and ran 12/&2023 6:47 PM 16 Cunene fumishings are sufficient 12/62023 6.28 PM 17 Gazebo, tire table 12/&2023611 PM 18 Mail Be. 121612023 12:42 PM 19 writ outside en fixture seating areas 171&202311:32 AM 20 Possibly a small section set while for removal chairs and easels that could help Id temporary 12/512023 11:24 PM I denWic programs such as an (all ages) or story hour (keds). Note his is not as important as quiet green space and teaming about wediveMty with labeled plants and trees like an arboretum. 21 Adirondack chars, Totems 12/51202311:12 PM 22 Trees are good strode 12/51202310:58 PM 23 Unsum 17/5120239:05 PM 24 Shady areas with bencheslcheirs and side lades 12/5/2023 9'.00 PM 25 have. ars a taste as we have so many spaces in this taut that are neglected and we need 12/512023 7:52 PM volunteers to maintain them, and they get forgotten. (Birch Gardens. Coolidge Gardens. Coolidge Courtyards Parker Courtyard) We have enough space - people dont need more. 21/55 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q8 What landscape elements would you like to see in the outdoor spaces at the library? (Check all that apply) nnsverdd' lag Skip0vi'. N a<ceesible Gardenlden neCnaiMe Pathe Garden - Learning/Pro .. Garden-:: WD Native.. Garden - $en50ry/Medi_, Garden' Trad"idnai shrubs T,ae Water Feature- Water raterest - other (plena 'WIfy) O% t0% 20% 30% e0% 50% 50% 70% 80% 90% 100% 22155 outdoor Spaces Survey ANSWER CHOICES Accessible Golden Ideas ACCeSSIldle Paths Garden - Leaminorpmducing Garden - Native Pollinator A Birds Garden - Sens"IMeditative Garden - Traditional Shrubs Trees Water Feature Wmer Interest Other (please specify) Tela Respondents: 249 RESPONSES 28.51% 39.36% 36.14% 69.84% 37.75% 25.70% 27.71% 39.36% 29.32% 36.14% 7.63% 4 OTTER (PLEASE SPECIFY) DATE 1 native trees, shrew and flowers! 12/1920236:32 PM 2 there's not enough space available tar all this ! why not improve basic maintenance first? 12/15/1023 9:58 AM 3 It looks fine. Let'S relax Mth the spending 12/162023 5:26 PM 4 Gazebo or Pergola 12/8/2023 12:19 PM 5 Universal design is the key -g there is a public garden some fa learning, It should be a rased 12/7/2023 7:15 PM bad 6 1 think the landscapng gets negietsed. 1217/202312:04 PM 7 Weeding the existing areas around the bhary, like the area where 15 minute pardrg Is. 1217/202310:33 AM 8 Trees arta pollinators are necessary to climate heath 12/7/2023 9:05 AM 9 Most. When you stop pushing your agenda on the town using tax payers dollars than maybe 12/712023 7:24 AM you can pay for such a silly project 30 The sad thing for me Is that the BOLT and the Library Director do rot truly heat other 12/612023 8:27 PM prospectives. I have been paying attention and its not my library anymore. I used to regularly lake out books and the library was a peaceful and wonderful place. My children pamcdated in the summer reading programs and checked but marry, marry banks and movies, I just dont feel comfortable. The displays In the teen!Odin am 11 If not enough funds, drop the water feature and keep the whets. 12/6/2023 7:32 PM 12 Very important to increase biodiversity, as tins time ol species extinctions, 12/612023 7:01 PM 13 1 think it looks great now! Notting needed 12/612023 6:26 PM 14 With all the other pressing needs In tunri I am mol looking for funds to be Spent on the library 1216/2023 6:14 PM la dscaong. It looks lovely as it Is 15 Just plant something that does not become ready maintenance, pick draught and cold tolerant 1208/20231:13 PM native plants 16 Labeled arboretum at plants and trees with rind reflective reading spaces win wassranally 12/512023 11:24 PM ran programs such as an or Reding haus. Cullom an such as the De CONova museum are also good leas! 23155 71 96 9101 149 94 64 69 98 73 90 19 Outdoor Spaces Survey 17 Native shrubs and bees MSM23 9:37 PM A nothing. the library had their chance to design something wren it was rebuih. 12/52023 7:52 PM 19 Please ori use [me natives for the plantings. 17/42023 7:40 PM 24155 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q10 Do you think there are too many neighborhood events, too few neighborhood events, or the right amount of neighborhood events around the library? nnswemo G3E. s�iUa<:a i1 For too many Too many The right MOM Too tCM Far to. f. 0% 10% 4p% y0% 40% 50% 60% 2p% 60% ao% 100% ANSWER CHOICES RESPONSES Fee top marry 1.70% Tao marry 2.13% The epla amgnl 37.45% Top lew 5447% Far loo few 4.26% TOTAL 31155 4 5 88 128 10 235 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q13 What features of the Reading Public Library do you most enjoy? (select all that apply) Ansvissol )iN Skrylz'eI assn apace and amenitiu Eaparlaness - f.,.11 agb. Fading& safety Flowers/Wantwb- Gathedng .was lbw tlota tM — IlbrarY b c.. How tlose tna library is t.. MOwea open Iswna Meatingand— ptheringapace Options to furtl<ICMe... parting, accsss and... pasomot, pt.ant and... welt±t apace ONer 1plWe 5w, 0% 10% 20% 3o°.c 40% 50% 00% 70% g0% a^ 1o0% 43155 Outdoor Spaces Survey Q14 The following are potential amenities that the Town of Reading could develop in the outdoor spaces at the library. Please indicate how important each amenity would be to you and your household (1 being not important, 5 being extremely important). Amphitheater / Event Space CommunitY V'M . FLI Outdoor Ctbxeem ,RNup„9L:,6 ;ippotl 46155 outd wnee.'tn f.w' s Nenk veu Outdoor Spaces Survey May eeu Wnder to ye_. i 1 W ak ut 0% 10% 20% b% 40% 50% 60% 70% 80% 60% 100% 1 ■4 4 S 47 155 Amphitheater / Event Space Community gamer Outdoor Classroom Outdow health features Picnic areas Play areas (under 10 years old) Public ah 48/55 TOTAL Outdoor Spaces Survey 244 1 2 3 4 5 20.90% 11.48% 25.41% 28.69% 13.52% 51 28 62 70 33 17.21% 15.15% 28.69% 21.31% 17.62% 42 37 70 52 43 15.57% 16.80% 31.97% 28.28% 7.38% 38 41 78 69 18 19.664b 20.09% 34.62% 18.80% 6.84% 46 47 81 44 16 11.84% 13.88% 29.80% 29.80% 14.69% 29 34 73 73 36 28.94% 16.17% 19.15% 1745% 16.30% 68 38 45 41 43 14.81% 16.46% 32.92% 19.34% 16.46% 36 40 80 47 40 48/55 TOTAL WEIGHTED AVERAGE 244 3.02 246 3.07 246 2.95 234 2.73 245 3.22 235 2.80 243 3.06